Bobknap...

[Pyro]

Yet more Bobknap planning…
Issues of timeline, predominantly. Magneto’s main IC reason for taking Bob is to keep the X’s from interfering in the Neverland missions… which means they’ll be running some point post-kidnap and pre-rescue, meaning the Jr. BH / Acolyte type people will be offsite for most of the time Bob’s with the BH. And yeah, that would include yours truly… any thoughts?

Also Bob’s raised the issue of the cure, whether we’d use it on Bob. I’d say yes. We know already Magneto doesn’t view him as a true mutie but a traitor to the cause, and that he has no problem using the cure against those who stand in his way. The issue of a depowered Bob’s got all kinds of potential…

[Josh Dalton Worthington]

I think one of the questions with that is how long, IC, Bob is going to be 'napped. Tailing on that, is what exactly the BH is planning on accomplishing by the camp mission(s), and how long it would take.

If it's going to be for a month or something, there will be no problems finding downtime for the junior members to interact with Bobby. If it's only going to be a week or so he's gone, perhaps the Neverland missions are planned for later on, and so Mags keeps the juniors at home. He's rescued before they leave for any length of time.

In terms of the Cure, Magneto would first have to get his hands on some of it. That could be a mission all on its own... I'm assuming it's not laying around haphazardly. Additionally, assuming it's no longer in manufacture, there could be a shelf-life on the serum. Anything still existing would be at least 6 months old, possibly more.

It would be an effective way of keeping him from escaping - at least, depriving him of tools to escape with. The psychologist in me would be curious as to his reaction - would it make him anxious to lose his powers, or would the knowledge that it's temporary allay his fears somewhat?

No idea if any of that is helpful. :)

[Bobby Drake]

REVISED PLOTLINE:

1. John sets up a date with Bobby.
He does this knowing the ambush is planned, but intending to "protect" Bobby (in his own head, anyway).

2. Bobby shows up and John sticks him with a trank.

3. Josh, following Bob, tries to protect him and fails. John and the other BH members (whoever they are, possibly NPCs) whomp Josh's ass, he just barely escapes.

4. Bob is dragged back to BH HQ, dosed with Cure and dumped in their convenient dungeon cell (or whatever) for a couple of days.

For dramatic purposes, this is roughly simultaneous with Hank using the information obtained by Bob, Warren, Josh, Jake, Storm, and Emma to press formal military charges against fifty-seven guards and administrators of various Mutant Containment Camps, conspiracy civilian charges against their superiors, and announcing a US/UN committee to investigate abuses of the Camp system.

5. The BH does whatever it's going to do to powerless!Bob.
Everyone is at the HQ during at least some of this period and has some opportunity to interact with Bob (which they can take advantage of, or not, as they choose).

6. Mags notifies the X-Men of Bobnap (about which they already know, thanks to Josh) and that he'll kill Bob if they interfere with the BH operations.

7. Mags leads the BH to destroy Neverland. The X-Men interfere; the two teams basically fight each other to a standstill with no clear victor but Neverland is trashed in the process.

8. The X-Men rescue Bob, simultaneous with the Neverland operation. Whoever didn't go to Neverland can be around to defend the HQ -- these might be NPCs.

Somewhere in here, Mystique apparently does something with the Drake family. I don't know what.

[Pyro]

I'm thinking pretty much the same, really. Only with a possible 2e - rather than a totally unclear stance, John's stance is that he doesn't defend Bobby. But obvs all those issues would be IC mind-stuff so 2d works.

Yep, that version suits me.

[Pyro]

bearing in mind that we have been playing around with the cure, and with depowered Bob, and with role-reversal and all...

Inspiration strikes. JDs and pizza inspired, probably. This may be a little too cheesy even for us. But here goes.

John's pretty much accepted that he can't rebel against Mags - not if he wants to live, and John's own neck is always going to be concern number one - so he's working on the lines of keeping Bob as safe as possible. Which means doing the 'knap himself because Mysti would never play it as carefully... so his master plan is that they tranq. Bobby - ostensibly so they can take him quietly, quickly, with a small force and with minimal risk to them, really because he doesn't want to have to fight Bob. It's not inconcievable that Magneto would put the cure in said tranq... whether or not John knows (and I'm thinking not atm) it's going to be nasty. Also not having to fight Bob means he can take a more pro-BH stance in the subsequent battle (no problem kicking Joshy's ass), or avoid it as much as possible without taking an anti-bh one because someone has to guard the comatose Bob.

Not especially well articulated, as per usual, but I thought I'd bring that to the table.

[Warren Worthington III]

I like the drug-Bob idea. Not as much fun as having the BH beat the living crap out of him, but flows better, and sets up a much more elegant feeling of betrayal, afterwards. John could bring the ubiquitous bottle of JB, dosed with sedatives.

Whether mags doses the bottle with Cure, or later Cures Bob after he's brought in, is one and the same to me... though doing the former without telling John seems really dumb IC (consider the possibility that John might take a swig to "prove it's harmless").

[Pyro]

well, I've put it to Magneto as *stick him with a trank when things get intimate* but to be fair I'm not really thinking clearly so the drugged JDs works for me. Up to Magneto, I guess. He's the boss here.

[Pyro]

Have been alerted to the fact that Mags is leading the BHood to Neverland. Plotline can still run as written, though, with just that one minor change... in fact that probably works better, giving the X-Men a better chance of getting Bob back, or something, since the BHood they'll be facing will probably be lead by either Mystique or a between-missions Pyro (though my money's on the former...) and consist of the jrs who don't have major destructive capabilities.

[Bobby Drake]

okeydoke - revised the plotline above to reflect the current state of things.

[Josh Dalton Worthington]

The Great Debate:

John: what're you going to do?
Josh: pinch off a nerve in your brain?
John: I'm the incredible flaming cockroach. nothing kills me. besides, joshy's a sweet fluffy kinda guy. he'd never do that to an old friend
John: especially an old friend his roommate is in lurve with


Dammit. It's the hesitation that's gonna make him lose.

Mark my words - not without major pain on John's part.